The series is out.How has the response been so far? What is the best compliment you have received?
Asttha Ssidana (AS): The response has been epic. I am so overwhelmed right now you have no idea. I have been getting fan messages like, “Hey ma’am, big fan”. And don’t even get me started on the DMs. I am the biggest reel on Instagram at the moment, so I think I have arrived. Well, there are different kinds of responses, different kind of compliments coming from different… male or female. So male, every guy is telling me ke yahi chahiye hai, aap hi chahiye ho, ekdum desi yet stylish. And women are complimenting me on my accent and on my onpoint dialogue delivery. That’s what… exactly. I was just very, very overwhelmed, as well as like shocked as how much they knew about the craft. They were like, your dialogue delivery is on point. And the accent, the Punjabi words that you use are on point and these are coming from Indian women, I’m guessing they’re Punjabi themselves, which is why they have the knack to understand what is right, what is on point and what is not. But all in all, the biggest compliment that I got is from my father, I quote, “I just watched your serial beta. Very good job. You are looking the best, you are acting the best and I’m very proud of you beta.” So like that was the best compliment, because yeah, that was it.
Apoorva Arora (AA): the response has been overwhelming. I love how people are seeing Punni as I intended her to be seen.
Poppy Jabbal(PJ): So the response has been absolutely phenomenal. The responses that I’m getting in terms of DMs and people who’ve been watching it and the people who have watched it already, they’ve been laughing throughout the series and they say that they’re relating to one or the other girls and it’s a great thing, it’s a great feeling to be part of such a team actually. And the best compliment that I have received is, I actually read one of the reviews which said something about Amrit, it’s the character that I’m playing. It said that there was a huge possibility of Amrit being pretentious, but she’s not and she’s very relatable. And there was a very fine line between my character going over the top because she has everything and being the high society girl and kind of trying to, you know, show off. But by not turning negative and containing myself into that character very, very finely, I think it was one of the things that I had to do for Amrit.
Sukhmani Sadana (SS): Well I’ve been hearing good things about it. I think the show picked up after some time. It took its own sweet time but from the response that I’m getting the last one, two days, everyone who I know who’s watched it has really liked the show. The reviews are getting better. You know how things always take time to warm up and also on the weekend, nobody really watches much. Now Monday is here, people have, you know, more free time in the evenings, no dinners and parties to attend, so my friends are watching now and actually really liking it. What’s the best compliment I’ve got so far? Well, I also actually wrote the show. I’m also the writer of the show. So I got a lot of compliments on the comedy and the dialogues. My friends and the viewers were, you know, messaging me, and saying that they found it really funny and comic.
How has Udhan Patolas changed your life?
AS: Udan Patolas hasn’t changed my life honestly, but yeah, I’m getting so much importance from my friends from the industry as well as my family. I mean the cousins who I’ve lost touch with, they are texting me and being like, oh yeah, we have binge watched your whole series. Basically, it has changed my life but it has definitely changed my perspective about life, about my career, about how people, their behavior changes. Unlearning and learning a lot of things at the same time. But if you’re asking for an all in all huge change, then I’m I’m waiting and waiting for everybody to see because it’s just been what, four or five days of the release. I’m waiting I think for everybody, the whole world to watch, for at least a month or two, and then I’ll see how it changes. I am manifesting a big change, a good one, a better one.
PJ: Since that time, I think we shot for Udan Patola and the time that it released, things have been really crazy. Because since I became an actor, I always wanted to do a show like Sex in the City because that’s like a Bible for every girl. And I always wanted to do a four girls show and just a girly girls show. So I was very excited when I was a part of Udan Patola and I did a lot of hard work either for the role or to be in a certain shape or to kind of you know, just do everything right for the show. And then during the release also, and after the release also. I think it’s the most exciting phase as an actor when it comes to Udan Patola because it’s a very different camaraderie that people are seeing on screen with four girls and especially me being a part of it. And I’m enjoying that a lot.
SS: Well, I don’t know how Udan Patola has changed my life, but it did change my life a lot earlier, because I’ve spent a lot of time with the show. Unlike the other actors who have probably come and prepared and shot for it, I also spent about four to six months to write the show. I wrote the story, screenplay, and the dialogues. And I did the Indian adaptation of the show. It’s an Israeli show originally, which was called Honey Badgers. And Applause and SOL production and I, Sukhmani Sadana, we adapted the show into an Indian series. So I’ve spent a lot of time on the show, it’s like my little baby. So I literally feel like I’ve delivered a child, you know, almost after a year, nine months. So it’s really really special for me. I was, I think, maybe very curious and anxious as to how people will respond. Well in the future, I hope that it makes a difference and it does change things around. I’m hoping that I get more writing work from this, and I hope that I get more acting work from this. You know, as an artist or talent of any sort, our intention is basically always to get more work. We want appreciation. We want people to think that we have worked on good cinema and that it gets converted and executed into more work in the future. So that’s my wishful thinking from Udan Patolas.
Going back,tell me how you got the role? Was the audition easy?
AS: Going back honestly, I’m a fashion model. Like I said, I used to live in Bombay. I was modeling for a year and a half and I was signed up with an agency, this particular one. Agent Zoaib is his name. He really liked me and he found some kind of talent, whenever we used to chill for coffee or meet in the office, he used to always be like ke Aastha, you must, you know, try acting, I think you’ll be very good at it. And at that time, I was in my zone thinking you know,
I’m a fashion model, let me just stick to my routine. A model can never be an actor. I had that preconceived notion about myself. Anyway, cut to, due to some reasons I had to leave Bombay and started living with my parents again. It’s only when I was in Delhi, the same agent called me and he kind of like challenged me, he’s like, I’m daring you come from the airport to the audition, give your audition and then you can go back again. And if you don’t land the part, I’ll pay for your tickets. He was so sure about it. He’s like, just come, do your lines, because this character is you. This is so true to your real self that I think you’ll be able to nail it. And that’s what I did. From the airport, I went to the audition, audition se direct airport, taking my tiny suitcase with me and everybody else was chatting with everybody else, all the girls are like, staring at me at the audition scene, that is she really coming from the airport, so like that. And Panchami Ghavri was casting me, she was present and she told me to do this very long scene in three-four variations. And yeah, I read the scene, I remembered the dialogue by my heart and I almost went by my instincts. I did what she told me, like something serious, something over the top now, do it hilariously, now don’t do it so hilariously, do it normally. So honestly, it’s such a hazy memory. I was just being myself to be honest. And I landed the part. And it was supposed to be a huge deal because Panchami told me later, after rejecting 239 girls, she chose me.
AA: It was a fun audition. I also went for a mock shoot where I was made to act with 3 different Noors, Amrits and lovelles. That’s when I knew I’d bagged the role
PJ: How I got the role? No, absolutely no, the audition was not easy at all. So I think I must have given three or four auditions over a period of nine months for this part. And not that I was like, you know, selected and I was going again and again, they wanted to retest. It wasn’t the case at all. The first time when I gave the audition for Amrit, I was like there is no other girl in this world who can play Amrit, this is me, and this part has been made for me. And when I didn’t get a call after that audition, I was like, oh my god, I was so wrong, how’s that even possible? I just related to Amrit’s part so much and I just thought it was me and I didn’t get it. Then again, I think somebody sent me…. I think every girl in India has auditioned for this series. Second time when somebody called me for this addition, I was like, okay, maybe I need to be in long hair to look the part of Amrit and you know, I did extra makeup and I was looking extra pretty to do the part and I sent in the audition. Then again after two three months, I was vacationing in Vegas and I got a call saying that, would you like to audition for this part? I said that I’ve already auditioned twice, and then I sent them the tape again, I had them on my recording and again, no call from them. Then I was shooting for a film in Punjab and then I again got a call for this same part Amrit, and then they said come meet us. And I went and met them and I had short hair, they were like, you have short hair? I said, yeah. And they were like, Oh my God, you really work for Amrit. And again, I think till the very end minute when the girls have finished their reading, they had already started doing classes, I was the last person to be casted. And yeah, I mean my reading was going on while the girls were kind of through with their lines and stuff, but I was ecstatic when I got this part because I’ve always wanted to be a part of this show.
SS: Well, to tell you how I got the role. I was never supposed to act in the show. For me, Udan Patolas was a show that I was writing. And I remember one day I was at the Applause office in BKC, and I was narrating pretty much my last episode to the entire team. And it was really funny, they all started laughing. And I was like, why are these people laughing? I mean, the joke is funny, but I don’t think it’s so funny what I wrote. So I was wondering, you know, what happened? And then I asked them. And they said that we have unanimously decided that we all want you to play one of the characters of Udan Patolas. So I was like, no way, you know, because I had written the show and I didn’t think I would…. You know how you lose perspective and you never think that you are the right cast for something that you’ve given birth to. It just came as a shock to me, but I must say that it was the best thing that someone put upon me. And acting in the show was one of the coolest and most fun things I’ve done. Really, really enjoyed myself shooting and being on the set, which I would have as a writer anyway. But yeah, and then they made me audition. They knew exactly which character I should play. I didn’t even suggest which one I think was the right one. They all were very sure that I should play the character of Lovely Singh, which is Lovelle. And they all thought that I was the right casting for that show for that character. So yes, I auditioned for it, they made me style, look like her, and I got the role. I guess when I used to narrate, and I used to enact the characters which I’d written, it was very easy for them to see me play Lovelle.
Presuming you are out of towners how has Mumbai and the entertainment industry treated you?
AS: I’m from Delhi. I’m definitely out of towner. Entertainment industry is very, very different from fashion industry to be honest, and they have treated me…. Honestly, this is my birth. Right now, I feel that I have just been born in the entertainment industry with the release of Udan Patolas. So right now it’s too soon, it’s too raw for me to tell you or comment on how I’m being treated because my journey has just begun. So if you ask me the same question after six months, maybe I’ll have something to tell you. But right now, I’m at the starting line. I need to go a little ahead. I need to sprint a little ahead in order to realize how I’m being treated.
AA: I’m from Delhi but I’ve spent the better part of my teenage years in Mumbai. This city has made me who I am and brought out my personality in a beautiful way. I was an introvert who would get bullied in school and never voiced my opinions. The friends I made in this city have a very important part to play in my growth as a person and an artist. I think it’s tough for everyone in the entertainment industry and no one really has it easy. And personally I’ve accepted the fact that good things are coming but they take time and I’m prepared to put in the efforts that go into honing my skills as an actor.
PP: Yes, I’m not from Bombay but I’ve been in Bombay for 10 years now and it feels like home. The entertainment industry is what? It is us. It is us lot, it’s our friends, people who give you work, people who ask you for work. So yeah, I’ve been treated fairly well I feel. I think everybody has a time when success comes to them or it doesn’t come to them or it’s time for them to kind of do something else. So I’ve been a part of different things in the entertainment industry. I started modeling. I did a lot of ads and started hosting, then I got into acting. I was looking for the biggest possible break and that did not happen the way I wanted it to. Then I went to the Punjabi industry and did some films there. Then you know, everything was happening. When web came in, I think it was a great space for me to be part of. So it was fantastic. It’s been fantastic because I found my place in different segments of the entertainment industry, time and over again. And yes, it is tough for an unconnected actor to get into Bollywood. I mean, honestly speaking, I still haven’t done a single Bollywood film. I think it’s a lot to do with luck. When I started off, I always thought that no, I’m very intelligent, I’m going to go carve and pave my path into the industry myself, it’s not going to be so difficult. But I was wrong. When people say that fate and luck plays a lot of role, yes, it does. And I am 100% with that. I think it’s time… there is a time for everything and we just have to be at it and the opportunity can strike on your door anytime. So I think it’s tough for everybody, even people who have connections in Bollywood. It’s just that one has to keep on proving them right again and again.
SS: I have been an out of town person. And yes, it is very difficult for someone who’s not from Bombay to get work. I think the initial stages are a hard one because you have to get an entry and go and knock on every door possible. And obviously who’s gonna open the door to a stranger. It’s literally like your house where you just don’t let strangers come in. So some sort of recommendation always works. I don’t believe that nepotism is existing in our industry only. Of course, there is partiality and people are biased but that’s in every industry. You will meet and give an interview to your best friend’s daughter or son, right? So I mean, I guess it’s fair. But what I like about the industry is that it eventually gives opportunities to people who really have talent. And I think that’s the beauty of it. From stage one, it is very difficult to get into Bollywood. If you don’t have a father or uncle or anyone who can help you get in, it’s very difficult. I had a tough time myself. I remember going for auditions, wearing makeup and standing wearing dresses and heels for hours in the heat and taking autos, and there were days when I was like what the hell am I doing? Why am I not in Amritsar in my parents house where we have staff and we have lawns and we have gardens and someone can give you a head massage and serve me chai all day. Why am I doing this? But then the city is so addictive and the pace here, and whatever little bit it offers you is so exciting. You know, it’s just impossible to leave the city. Bombay treated me very well. I owe so much to the city. I am sitting today here, being able to pay a rent which I could never afford in my life, I have staff here also, I drive a good car, I have worked my ass off and the city has noticed that hard work. And Bombay, you know, it comes around. It’s a character, I can’t explain. It’s a hard character, a hard nut to crack, but if you crack this person which is Bombay or a character, it gives you so much and then there’s no coming back. So I love Bombay for whatever it is. Of course, I’m very far from home. I live in Amritsar. The culture is different here, the food is different here, the language is different. But jo bhi hai, apna hi ghar hai.
How closely did you identify with your character?Given a choice would you have liked to do one of the other leads!
AS: Given a choice, I would do a lead role in every freakin’ project that I’ve been offered. But if you’re asking me the roles that I really connect with or I would love to play and do justice to, then I would say I would love to play Fleabag, main character in Fleabag which is on Amazon. And there’s also another protagonist who plays an assassin in the series Killing Eve. I love that grey character. And what else? I would love to be a lead or a primary character in a show like Modern Family. Oh my god, that is my calling. Honestly, I feel that comedy is my calling. It comes very naturally to me. I’m a very comical person. I see life very comically. And when it comes to intense stuff, then I would definitely want to play Gangubai. I think I’ll be kickass in it.
AA: I think as an actor I’d have managed to pull of either of the characters. I see how it’s easy for someone to see me as a Punni or as a Noor, but I think I’d love to try lovelle and Amrit as well
PJ: My character Amrit is a part of me and Amrit is also not a part of me and I’ll tell you how. Amrit, when she is with her three girlfriends Lovelle, Noor, and Punny, she is totally like me. I also have a gang of… we are a gang of three friends not four friends – me, Simran Kaur Mundi and Sonali Sehgal. You know, we fight a lot. We have a difference of opinion. Sometimes we don’t talk to each other. But when it comes to actually kind of, you know, looking after each other, we’re there. Even if we don’t talk to each other, the world wouldn’t know that we are kind of not talking to each other because there is that bond that we formed in our initial years and you know, we progressed alongside each other, we did different things in life, but we rose together or we fell down together. And that bond Amrit has with these three girls, she’s always looking after them and they are looking after her. And that is a very special place. And I’m not like Amrit when it comes to being with Aakash, the boyfriend and the kids. I think there is some bit of insecurity in her relationship with Aakash and I am not that person. I generally don’t get insecure in positions like these. And I would rather not have it than to be insecure and live in an insecurity on an everyday basis. So that is where I differ from Amrit. Honestly speaking, as I told you that the day one when I auditioned for Amrit, I knew that it is me, it is me, it is me. And no I wouldn’t have wanted to kind of play some other part. But yeah, I mean, I would have enjoyed it if Amrit also starts working and is also part of the gang in the office and stuff, maybe a little bit more, a different facet to Amrit’s life.
SS: How closely do I connect to my character? Well, in Udan Patola’s, I’m playing the character of Lovely Singh. She’s from Jalandhar. And that’s the name her parents gave her. But just to sound cool in Bombay city, she calls herself Lovelle. She wants to sound very French. So she calls herself Lovelle. I relate to Lovely also and I don’t relate to Lovely also. I relate to her because she’s driven, she’s ambitious, she believes in friendship, she always puts other people’s priorities first, and Sukhmani is a lot like that. My empathy level is very high in life. And I really, really like to watch out for people. It’s something that makes me very happy. If I ever hear of something that people need, I make sure that they get it, if I can afford to give it to them. What I don’t relate with Lovely Singh or Lovelle is that, she is a very closed person. She has a high defense wall around her and she doesn’t show her emotions to people at all. You know she’s very vulnerable on the inside but she likes to show that she really doesn’t need anyone. And she’s very self sufficient, which she’s not. She’s actually a very gullible and naive girl. And she’s like any other girl who wants to be loved and wants to be pampered. But she has a very tough time to show that to people. She wants to show that she’s just very happy on her own. It’s very hard to break into her wall and into her heart. But Sukhmani is not like that. I’m a very loving person. I believe in love. I think there’s nothing more beautiful than love in the world. I want to be loved. I love giving love. So I’m a very expressive and a very communicative person. That’s where Lovelle is very different from Sukhmani. Given a choice, would I have done the other leads? I don’t think so. Honestly, I think the character I played is the closest to how I’m in real life. And I think I can speak the same on behalf of everybody. I think we all have been perfectly casted, our casting director Panchami Ghavri is absolutely fabulous. And the casting is just bang on. Whoever has done their role has done it perfectly well, I think. I don’t want to be, Apne muh miya mitthu. But no, I would have liked to do this character if I’d given the choice.
What are your plans for the future, immediate and distant?
AS: My plans for the future – immediate right now is I have enrolled in an acting workshop. Now that I’ve been in Mumbai, I’ve touched base, I’ve moved here, I would definitely want to focus on my craft since like I said, I have just been born in this entertainment industry. Now I want to see, I want to refine my craft. I got the role by fluke, yes. Am I good in it? Yes, people are saying so. But at the same time, I was able to play this character because it was very close to me. Now if I get to play something else, which I don’t relate to, how will I nail that? So now I’m expanding my craft, I’m practicing it and truly understanding what it takes or how it feels to be an actor. So I’m going to be enrolling in a lot of workshops and preparing myself mentally. And other assignments? Please dedo yaar kuchh. Right now, I have no assignments in my kitty.And distant future plans will be to staying grounded, focusing, striking a balance between work and pleasure and not making work your life because that’s… off time is as important as your on time. Yeah, just not taking too much pressure because this role has done wonders for me and now if after performing so well, if I land up another job and don’t perform the same way and disappoint my fans, my newborn fans, then it’ll be quite harrowing for me, it can be. So that’s why my distant future plan will be to always maintain calm, to always be in a state of Zen, never be too happy and never be too sad.
AA: I have a busy year in terms of releases and I’m very grateful for that. It feels great to see all the hard work finally pay off.My long term plans are to try and tell my own stories, be it as a writer or a producer. I feel that as a an actor, being able to do this enables you to create opportunities for yourself.
PJ: My plans for the future, immediate and distant, I have no idea. I am just hoping and waiting that season two, three, four, five, six, ten, for years and years, just like Sex in the City, Udan Patola keeps going on and on with different seasons. And yeah, we should do a lot of work, a lot of film work, a lot of web shows. I just want to keep on working and keep on working with the best, do the best possible work.
SS: What are my plans for the immediate future? Well after Udan Patola, I’m really excited today, my other show got released on the same day, it’s called Broken News on Zee5, where I’m playing Jaideep Ahlawat’s wife. So Udan Patola and Broken News both came out on the same day. So I’m really happy because it’s an important day for me, 10th of June, both the shows came out together. Even Broken News is getting great reviews. And apart from that, today in the papers, we had another announcement which is again a show produced by Applause and it’s gonna release on Sony Liv, it’s the Indian adaptation of the Israeli show called Fauda. So I’ve acted in Fauda, I’m playing Manav Vij’s wife. He’s playing the main protagonist in the show. I’m really looking forward to Fauda, we have worked very hard. The show is called Tanaav. It’s gonna release on Sony Liv very soon. And I’m looking forward to that. Apart from that I have another film that’s releasing on Netflix, which I’ve written. I’ve not acted in that one. Ali Abbas Zafar has directed that film and Diljit is acting in it. Aise chhote mote aa rahi hai cheeze. Also, there’s another film called Rocketry, which is releasing soon. I’ve worked on that as an additional screenplay and dialogue writer. R Madhavan has produced, directed and acted in that film and Shahrukh Khan has also got a very important, pivotal role in our film. So yes, currently, I’m looking forward to these ones.
Are you looking forward to the Udan Patolas sequel? What are your other assignments?
AS: I am so looking forward to Udan Patola’s sequel. Oh my god, I’m dying. That is the only thing, this anticipation or this manifestation for the Udan Patola sequel, that is the only thing that’s keeping me going at the moment, since I have no job, since I have no other assignments I have signed on to, so yeah, let’s see inshallah.
PJ: We’re totally looking forward to the sequel of Udan Patolas, like totally. I know where the story is gonna go and it’s going to be fun and entertaining for everybody to watch. There’s a lot that’s going to happen in the season two, so I’m totally looking forward to it. And my other assignments, I’m doing two other films in Punjab and waiting for them to release and after Udan Patola’s launch, I’m looking at doing some more web shows here and some films.
SS: Yes, I’m really looking forward to Udan Patola’s sequel. I’m not allowed to talk too much about it right now. But there’s so much more that one can do with these four girls because they all are so different and they bring such different flavors to the table. And yes, I won’t say too much, but yes, I hope so. And I really am keeping my fingers crossed that there’s a season two to Udan Patolas.
Do you think the OTT platform is a boon for an outsider like you?
AS: I truly feel that OTT platforms are a boon for an individual hailing from outside the industry or an individual hailing from inside the industry as well. It has increased, it has opened a lot of channels for all the talent to be a part of something important, to be a part of something so reachable and so good, because let’s face it, it is the ugly truth, lockdown has really changed our outlook on theaters. After Corona has hit our world, not everybody I know is a fan of going to a theater and you know, binging popcorn and just watching it. I’m myself a theater fan, but I know I have cut down my theater visits to 70% and that is not good. Which is why OTT comes in play, which is why OTT has saved a lot of talent’s lives. OTT has given a platform to create bread and butter for every freaking one, not just actors, the spot dadas, the set, the makeup, the production, everyone. So Bombay truly is a city of dreams, and everybody is a dreamer. OTT platform has just opened or I would say OTT platform is the multiverse of dreams. I mean it has diversified our dreams so much. It has really helped us. Agar OTT nahi hota, mujhe nahi lagta mai survive… mai shuruwaat bhi kar pati. Jaise mera abhi shuruwaat ho rahi hai, I have born, waise hi OTT has given birth to a lot of talents like me, and I couldn’t be more grateful.
AA: I think that OTT platforms are definitely a boon for people like me. Not just actors but writers and directors too. There is something for everyone to do and it’s easier to put themselves out there.I think that because of this, a lot of writers who used to go unnoticed in the past are getting their due recognition. And for an actor, people have started seeing us as artists and not just faces who get typecast.
PJ: OTT platforms are a boon for an individual hailing from outside the industry. Actually OTT platform is a boon for every single actor. Honestly, for every single actor, it’s a boon. People who have had no work, people who wanted to do experimental cinema, people who couldn’t do films, people who didn’t want to do television, people who were models, for everybody OTT has opened and carved a niche, carved a web space for everybody. I’m so happy that there is a space and opportunity for all the actors possible. And the number of actors who are being seen these days because of web shows, it is absolutely incredible. I am so, so happy and I owe every bit of my success to OTT.
SS: Has OTT changed the lives of people from out of Bombay? Absolutely, yes. I think there was a time when a lot of people from our industry were on their way out, going back to their hometowns because nothing really happened to their careers. And it was very heartbreaking to see so many people, you know, pre COVID, come and try, try their hands on this and nothing really happens and they give up, obviously because rents have to be paid and they have to earn their bread and butter and sometimes Bombay doesn’t offer something to everyone, right? You have to be exceptionally talented, exceptionally lucky, exceptionally good at your work. But OTT was a game changer for a lot of people in the industry. I can count 1000s of people who have gotten the opportunity to prove themselves as to how good they are in the industry only thanks to web series, being it lyricist, editors, directors, producers, actors, filmmakers, any sort of people who are going to give up or who were disappointed and who couldn’t get any opportunities because they were not somebody’s son or daughters or maybe they, you know, didn’t have the opportunity, the first opportunity to prove themselves. They all got a chance because there’s so many digital platforms, and there’s so many web series being made in those digital platforms. So the opportunities are many. Every producer needs so many actors now, needs so many directors, editors, writers, lyricists, right? So sabko ek chance toh mil gaya hai. Then, of course, it depends on your talent and your work. If you’re going to go to a second project or not. That depends on your credibility, your hard work, your talent. But that one opportunity was given to everybody, I think, in the industry, thanks to OTT. And I’m very grateful. I think it’s changed the economy and it’s given a boom to our industry and I really, really am so proud that India is investing so much in OTT platforms and even big, big budget web series are being made now. And the biggest of directors and biggest producers are also investing in web shows, and not only in web series, so I’m really really happy for the opportunity that is provided to all of us.
